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Burner Comparison among PowerFlamer Propane 160 Stoves

Below is a review article from Blake McNeil (a customer) who posts on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/wok/comments/19aptbd/outdoorstirfry_buner_6b_comparison/.  As of January 2024, PowerFlamer propane 160 stoves utilize two burners:  one 5 inches (5B) in PowerFlamer propane 160 manual PF13x160, electronic ignition PF13x160EI and one 6 inches (6B) in PowerFlamer propane 160 integrated ignition PF13x160IEI.   We ask the customer to do the comparison.  Below is his review. 


I use my PowerFlamer Propane 160 wok burner from OutdoorStirfry a LOT, it is my principal cooking
device in my home. Stir fry, steamer or even just boiling up water for spaghetti (why use a piddly little
stove burner when you have Godzilla sitting outside?) my wok burner is usually what I cook on. Even in
the depths of a Canadian winter, you can find me cooking outside on my wok burner. -30C, no problem
the PowerFlamer has the jam to do it right no matter how cold it might be.

When I saw that there was a new burner coming out for the PowerFlamer I asked if I could get one and
compare it to the existing burner, these are my findings, but first some background. My ascent into
Asian cooking came about as I wanted to increase my veggies and reduce my meat intake. Being retired I
need to pay more attention to my diet after years of abuse running various startup companies which left
little time for a healthy diet. I suffered from veggie boredom eating the traditional North American fair
and switch to an Asian diet where the endless combinations of veggies and sauces put an end to veggie
boredom. I started cheap and got an Eastman Kahuna Burner and while it was a big step up from wimpy
stove cooked stir fry, it is not a real wok burner. It focuses all its heat on a very small area and isn’t
designed for a wok. Heat management is problematic if you are cooking for more than one person as it
creates a small intense hot spot that easily burns food while the rest of the wok isn’t very hot. Trying to
mitigate this small hot spot I use a 14” carbon steel Yosukata round bottom Wok which dissipated the
heat a bit but it is a heavier wok so I tend to use a Chao technique (more stirring than tossing of a Bao
technique). Use of a Chao technique was also because the Kahuna Burner doesn’t lend itself to moving
the wok as it isn’t very stable and doesn’t have a wok ring.

Once the welds on the Kahuna Burner started to fail, it was time to step up and the search was on for a
‘real’ wok burner for a home user. Enter OutdoorStirfry, a real wok burner, complete with a wok ring
and when I saw the available stand, it was take my money time. The upgrade to the PowerFlamer from
the Kahuna Burner was a bigger upgrade than from the stove top to the Kahuna Burner. The
PowerFlamer allowed me to up my game and flavor big time. Far better control and a far bigger sweet
spot than the Kahuna Burner. When the new burner came out, I was very interested as to what a new
burner could improve upon.

I bought my PowerFlamer with a manual pilot light ignition system as I thought that would work better
for me than an electronic ignition, so to swap in the new burner I got just the 6B burner with no ignition
system and would swap it with my existing burner.

There are some physical differences between the burners. The 6B is bigger and has more flame jets than
the old burner and more significantly over a larger area.

5B burner vs 6B burner
5B burner vs 6B burner

Disassembling my old burner.

5B burner disassembled.
5B burner disassembled.

Then reassembled it using the new 6B burner. The 6B burner fits all the mounting holes etc, but a couple
of things you will notice. First the 6B is longer which means my pilot flame tube comes up a little short,
not a real problem but something to note.

Lengths for 5B and 6B burners.
Lengths for 5B and 6B burners.

The other thing you will notice is the new burner has a slightly narrower throat so you will need to neck
down the screen to fit.

Inlets for 5B and 6B burners.
Inlets for 5B and 6B burners.

These were the only things I found, otherwise the upgrade was pretty much trivial. NOTE I can’t speak
for the electronic ignition systems, but I suspect they can also be converted but not the length change as
that might be a concern.

5B burner in a stand.
5B burner in a stand. Before with the old burner.
6B burner in a stand
6B burner in a stand.  With the new 6B burner.

Performance changes. I did a bunch of tests boiling water and such but really those show that both
burners boil water just fine, but with the old burner you can see there are two heat zones. First at the
bottom of the wok and then part way up the side of the wok, where the boiling begins indicating a
higher heat in these regions.

Boiling water in a wok.
Boiling water in a wok.

With the new burner the entire wok starts to boil at the same time. This indicates a far more consistent
heat distribution with the new 6B burner. This is very significant as stir fry is the movement of food in
and out of heat zones and the smaller the hot zone the harder it is not to burn food or get a consistent
cooking of food. This larger more consistent heating will also allow me to be even more aggressive with
heat as I’ll have a higher percentage of food in the hot zone and will be able to cook even faster and
capture more wok hei than before. I should mention that I’m cooking for a family so my portion sizes
border on overloading the wok, so the more consistent heating is huge for me in getting a consistent
cooking of my dishes. One other problem with small but intense hot spots is an increase in what is call
‘wok poo’, burnt carbonized food (sugars, starches etc) on the hot spot. When you wipe your wok when
your done and it comes up black then you might have wok poo problem. Having a larger sweet spot and
a more consistent heating of the wok will reduce burning and hence wok poo, your wok will be easier to
clean.

At the end of my testing, which burner am I going with, definitely the new 6B burner.

After some uses including woking a cabbage, carrot, lotus root and beef stir fry at –33C with a –44C wind
chill during a polar vortex (I use my burner all year long here in Calgary), this burner is deceptively
powerful. You don’t need a flame licking your eyebrows to cook on, since there are more gas jets, I’d
recommend starting a bit lower flame than your old setting to cook on and working up from there.


Blake has another post “Got a wok burner, get a steamer” at https://www.reddit.com/r/wok/comments/19bnw74/got_a_wok_burner_get_a_steamer/.  White steams come up surrounded by white snow, quite a scene.  

 

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Comparison to commercial burners

Inquiry: 

Hi,   I’m just getting into the wok world so bear with me since I’m still learning. I have a couple quick questions. 

– How does the PowerFlamer 160 compare to commercial heavy duty wok ranges? The setup looks quite similar assuming I get the stand. The one I’m looking at is 

Radiance TAWR-13 17-7/8″x34-1/8″ Wok Gas Range Duck Burner 13″ Opening https://www.acitydiscount.com/Radiance-17-7-8-x34-1-8-Wok-Gas-Range-Duck-Burner-13-Opening-TAWR-13.0.168474.1.1.htm

Spec sheet:  https://pics.acitydiscount.com/specs/TAWR-13.pdf

– How do you calculate the BTU for the PowerFlamer? It looks like it’s high than most commercial woks out there.

– Will I be able to leave the PowerFlamer outdoors through rain and winter assuming I use a cover? Will there be concerns around condensation and parts getting wet or corroded?

Thanks so much. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thanks for the links to Radiance burner.   It is interesting. 

  1. Radiance burner is 4 times as heavy as PowerFlamer.   It will be more stable than PowerFlamer.   With 130lbs, you need one or two more persons to help you set it up.   This is not a problem in commercial environment as they pay to install the entire kitchen anyway.  Our stove is portable, easily handled by one person in the home environment.  It is easier to compare Radiance burner with our PowerFlamer natural gas stoves.  Both use jet type burners.  Radiance requires ¾” connection, which is typical for commercial installation.   You will pay a professional plumber for installation.    We develop our stoves specially for residential usage.  Our installation process is easier to apply for residential.   Homeowner handyman typically sets it up themselves.
  2. We build prototype and test to get our BTU number with typical residential natural gas line.
  3. With a cover, the stove should be protected well from direct rain and snow.  However, since it is exposed all the time outdoor, it is still subject to moisture.   Stove body and burner can develop rust.  This does not affect performance and functioning of the stove, only to its look.   In fact, we have been using the same stove body for last 20 years in our own backyard.

Hope we answer your question.

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Is the actual burner PF13L160EI part detachable for aftermarket burners? say when they get old

Inquiry:

is the actual burner part detachable for aftermarket burners? say when they get old

Outdoorstirfry:

The burner is of cast iron and can be detached from the wind guard and leg stand.    For an electronic ignition stove, the electronic ignition part is usually the first part not to function.  The burner would last much longer as a comparison.   The stove can be lit up by a manual long nose BBQ igniter after the electronic ignition part fails.

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Tank adaptor for PowerFlamer propane 160 stove (ACME QCC Type 1 connector) for France

Inquiry: 

Hi, Is the burner compatible for France propane? Any modification needed for bottle propane in France?

Outdoorstirfry:

Good question.  The stove goes with an ACME type 1 QCC tank adaptor.  It needs another piece of adaptor to connect to tank in France.  Please read https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/tank-adaptor-for-stove-for-france-and-germany/.

Inquiry: 

Thanks for your response.

Could you also specify what is meant by natural gas? Some models are natural gas, are you referring to butane? Are these models  compatible for France for bottle butane gas?  Thx

Outdoorstirfry: 

Natural gas comes into household through pipe here in USA.  The natural gas pipe gas pressure is typically around ½ PSI but can deliver a lot of volume.   Propane gas is either tanked or bottled.  Full tank it is liquified and pressure can be >200PSI.    Can you search up what gas are available in France?   Please provide links.

Inquiry: 

I am planning to use only with tank and propane gas in France is a 5 kilos square bottle. Unsure if you’ll be able to open the link (https://www.butagaz.fr/bouteilles-de-gaz/nos-produits/cube-propane) but is there any issue if I use the adaptor you mentioned with a French propane gas tank?

Sorry, another question, what’s the difference between the powerflamer 160 long lead time and the powerflamer 160 plus?  Just want to check prior to ordering.

Also, would you recommend manual ignition to electronic? Asking as if there’s any issue I’ll be in France and unsure someone would be able to repair the electronic switch?

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank for your link.  It is helpful.   Usually your tank needs a push-in and clip-on type of connection.  Please look at the direct Clip Connection piece at link.   On the connection there should be an outlet fitting that fits the adaptor of our link. 

The main difference between PowerFlamer propane 160 and Plus is their burner size.   Plus has a bigger burner.    One customer wrote a comparison at link https://outdoorstirfry.com/?s=burner+comparison.  Also we offer various electronic ignition  options.  The plus electronic option is more like indoor gas range type, with only one knob.    Electronic ignition option is not as reliable as the manual option. 

Customer: 

Just to clarify, I reached out to find out the adaptor and they’re recommending this for the propane bottle ( https://www.laboutiquedugaz.fr/produit/adaptateur-bouteille-clipsable/) I will use (5 kg cube propane butagaz bottle). I also need the direct clip as well or only1 adaptor?

Outdoorstirfry: 

You will need two pieces as below before connecting to a PowerFlamer stove.

  1.  https://www.laboutiquedugaz.fr/produit/adaptateur-bouteille-clipsable/
  2. https://www.laboutiquedugaz.fr/produit/adaptateur-usa-canada-vers-bouteille-francaise/

 

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What is the difference between the PowerFlamer 160 and the PowerFlamer 160 Plus?

Inquiry: 

What is the difference between the PowerFlamer 160 and the PowerFlamer 160 Plus?

Outdoorstirfry:  

The main difference between PowerFlamer propane 160 and Plus is the burner size.  PowerFlamer Propane 160 has our optimized 5B burner.  PowerFlamer Propane 160 Plus utilizes a bigger 6B burner.   There is an article comparing both burners by a customer at https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/burner-comparison-among-powerflamer-propane-160-stoves/.  Both offer manual ignition option.  For electronic ignition option, PowerFlamer Propane 160 offers the traditional separate knob ignition option while the Plus incorporates the integrated ignition option by one single knob.  

Max power rating for both should be the same.  PowerFlamer propane 160 plus has our new 6B burner.  Its flame pattern and adjustment are not perfect.   We expect 1~2 years to improve.   PowerFlamer 160 has our optimized 5B burner.  Its flame and adjustment are optimally tuned.  

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Wind guard improvement for PowerFlamer propane 160 integrated ignition stove products.

Hi All,

Our new generation of PowerFlamer propane 160 integrated ignition stoves has arrived 12/2022.   This product family has a new wind guard design which minimizes the bottom hole size between the wind guard and the burner base plate.   A comparison between the new wind guard and the previous one is below. 

PF13L160IEI
PF13L160IEI Previous generation
PF13L160IEI
PF13L160IEI new generation (12/2022)

 

The new wind guard preserves a feature that it can be rotated to mount onto the burner base plate to accommodate 3 wok long handle positions.  

Versus low pressure cookers

Product Name Images Comparisons
Our high pressure stove PFS Inherent wind guard. 40 seconds to cook a dish. Dish result: fresh and crispy. Easy to tilt wok (one fundamental wok operation), applicable to both short and long handle woks. Simple, hygienic. Good to tolerate outdoor, burner burns out small water residue and bugs. Max 40kW (137k BTU/hr).
Butane stove 120px-ButaneStove No wind guard. 300 seconds to cook a dish. Dish result: soggy. not easy to tilt wok. simple, more to clean. not good for outdoor. Max 10kW (35k BTU/hr).
3-ring stove No wind guard. 105 seconds to cook a dish. Dish result: soft. difficult to tilt wok. medium, even more to clean. not good for outdoor. Max 19kW (60k BTU/hr).
Backyard Chef Wind guard opposite to chef, sweat! 80 seconds to cook a dish. Dish result: soft. only suitable with long handle wok. most complex, most to clean. medium, small water and bugs clog burner holes (burner needs to be covered). Max 15kW (48k BTU/hr).