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Is there much difference between the manual ignition version PF13L160 and the electronic ignition version PF13L160EI?

Inquiry: 

Is there much difference between the manual ignition version PF13L160 and the electronic ignition version PF13L160EI?

Outdoorstirfry:  

PF13L160EI has an electronic ignition head.  It usually takes 3~5 strikes to ignite a flame on the ignition tube end.   Once the flame on the ignition tube end ignites the main burner, you will need to turn off the ignition tube flame to avoid damaging the ignition wire.  If you stop the main burner between cooking dishes, you will need to repeat the ignition process for each dish.

PF13L160 has a pilot light and requires manual ignition.  You would ignite the main burner at low flame first by turning on the left valve.  Then turn on the pilot flame by turning on the right valve.  Adjust the pilot flame to appropriate flame size (~0.5 to 1″ in length of flame).  The pilot flame stays lit between cooking dishes.   If you turn off the main burner between cooking dishes, you only need to turn on the main burner for cooking next dish (no need for any more manual ignition).   Because of its simplicity PF13L160 offers better reliability.  

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Electronic vs Manual Ignition and Shipping Rate to EU?

Inquiry: 

I am very interested in the PowerFlamer 160 but I have some questions, it said something about the electronic ignition not being reliable, does this mean the built-in pilot doesn’t work that well, or does it mean that it’s best to have a manual lighter nearby to light it the first time? What is the difference between the Plus and the non Plus variant?

Is the flat shipping rate to Europe the only costs or do extra customs tax gets added?

Outdoorstirfry: 

Electronic ignition stove does not have a pilot.   Electronic ignition is convenient to ignite the main burner without additional igniter.  However, the ignition flame needs to be turned off after main burner is lit, to protect its electric wire insulation.    Once the electronic ignition fails, you can always use a long nose BBQ igniter to ignite the main burner directly.     

Pilot only exists in our manual ignition stoves.   The main burner of a manual stove is lit by a long nose BBQ igniter first.  Then the pilot can be lit by the main burner and adjusted.   Between dishes, the pilot can stay to help ignite the main burner for subsequent dish cooking.  Pilot flame length can not be long to interfere with the main burner flame.   One issue is that short pilot flame is susceptible to wind. 

For difference between 160 and 160 plus, please read https://outdoorstirfry.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-the-powerflamer-160-and-the-powerflamer-160-plus/.   160 plus is new and we are in process of optimizing it.  160 is fully optimized and should provide the better cooking experience at this point of time. 

The flat shipping rate is to cover shipping costs charged by the shipping carrier.  At import time, you will be asked to pay for import duty, VAT and brokerage fee etc.

Inquiry: 

What would you recommend, the manual or electric ignition? I do turn off the burner a bunch of times so a pilot flame would be nice to have. Also, is it treated for rust or is it bare cast iron? 

Outdoorstirfry: 

The stove surface is with paint resistant to high temperature.  However, those paint areas with flame will burn off and left with bare iron. 

If you cook more than 1 dish, pilot is nice to have.   Electronic strike for each dish cooking isn’t that much a hassle either, without needing to find that piece of long nose BBQ igniter.    The last resort is the main burner which can be turned down to low flame between dish cooking in case pilot windblown or electronic ignition failed. 

Inquiry: 

Most of the time when I stir fry, I aim to make about 8-14 portions (fried rice for instance). It takes me about 3-5 batches for this amount, I’m hoping a better burner would fix this. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

More powerful burner should help.  What are you using now?  Maybe a link is helpful for us to understand.

Inquiry: 

Here’s a link to the product, I Don’t know if the site will work since it’s Dutch. https://vuurenrook.nl/en/products/gas-wok-branders-stoves-50491601

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank for your link.   The stove in your link is about 20kBTU/Hr max in our experience.   This is not a bad stove to use.  

Inquiry: 

Would the stir fry capacity increase with the wok? I don’t mind spending money, but tax and customs feels like I’m getting scammed haha. 

Also, how is the build quality? Are there a lot of (possible) defects? If something were to happen to it while in transit, is this covered by some kind of warranty? 

Outdoorstirfry: 

In theory, you can cook more if the stove is more powerful.   Unfortunately, we can’t do anything to tax and duty etc.  We will send replacement parts if thing is damaged during transit. 

Inquiry: 

Is it possible to get a video of the difference between the electric and manual ignition? Or do you recommend one? 

Outdoorstirfry: 

Please watch https://outdoorstirfry.com/how-to-start-a-powerflamer-propane-160-electronic-ignition-stove-both-ignition-flame-and-main-burner-flame/?v=0b3b97fa6688 for electronic ignition version.   Please watch https://outdoorstirfry.com/how-to-start-a-powerflamer-propane-160-manual-stove-both-pilot-and-main-burner-flames/?v=0b3b97fa6688 for the manual version. 

For long lasting/reliability, we would recommend manual.  For convenience, we would recommend electronic version. 

Inquiry: 

Oh that’s great thanks! I hate to ask this, but, how’s the build quality? I don’t know anyone who owns one of these and I can’t see/feel it in real life. Are there common problems or anything? How long have you been making these and what’s the oldest still working one? 

I apologize for all these questions, I always thoroughly check everything. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

I can’t comment on the quality as different people have different standards.   Also our quality would keep improving as it is the case in our history longer than 20 years.   There are some common problems like https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/white-on-paint-and-smoke-questions/.   The paint should be the same as your other stove, dark gray.  

Inquiry: 

That’s fair. Do you know of customer that’s been using a 160 for that long as well? Do you sell replacement parts? Is there something that needs replacing within a few years that I can order with it? Are the legs aluminum? 

Is it possible to take the legs of and make a stove for it? Is it stable without the legs?   Once more, thanks for your time and patience

Outdoorstirfry: 

We sell 160 stoves for over 20 years.  Of course, the look of it was dramatically different than it is now.  We are still support those if people want to maintain them.  You can contact us if problem occurs. 

The long legs, if tighten, should provide stable support to the stove.  The long legs are galvanized steel.  They can be detached, and the resulting short leg version can be placed on a table and should be functional fully. 

 

 

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What is the difference between the PowerFlamer 160 and the PowerFlamer 160 Plus?

Inquiry: 

What is the difference between the PowerFlamer 160 and the PowerFlamer 160 Plus?

Outdoorstirfry:  

The main difference between PowerFlamer propane 160 and Plus is the burner size.  PowerFlamer Propane 160 has our optimized 5B burner.  PowerFlamer Propane 160 Plus utilizes a bigger 6B burner.   There is an article comparing both burners by a customer at https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/burner-comparison-among-powerflamer-propane-160-stoves/.  Both offer manual ignition option.  For electronic ignition option, PowerFlamer Propane 160 offers the traditional separate knob ignition option while the Plus incorporates the integrated ignition option by one single knob.  

Max power rating for both should be the same.  PowerFlamer propane 160 plus has our new 6B burner.  Its flame pattern and adjustment are not perfect.   We expect 1~2 years to improve.   PowerFlamer 160 has our optimized 5B burner.  Its flame and adjustment are optimally tuned.  

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Some questions on stand and PowerFlamer stoves.

Inquiry: 

Hello,  Please help me understand some things.  To build a complete working set up. For example a power burner 160 with short legs( maybe none).

Does this burner fit into and sit atop of the stainless cart ( if wheels were included)?

Also the 160 has the two ring burner right? A inner and a larger outer circular flame?

Also with both models whether electronic ignition or manual the pilot light once ignited is always available to engage the burner as needed?

Just trying to understand everything.

I’ve dreamed about something like this since the late 80’s.    Thanks for your response

Outdoorstirfry: 

Only our PowerFlamer propane 160 short leg stoves can sit on the stainless stand.  Stand wheel is an option you can order.   Our standard 5B burner has 2 rings of flames, both are circular with outer larger flame.   The manual stove has a pilot flame which can stay lit during cooking.   The electronic version has an electronic ignition.  The electronic ignition flame needs to be turned off to protect its wire insulation after igniting the main burner.   

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Questions on electronic ignition options, stand and cover.

Inquiry: 

Hi, I’ve seen many people on YouTube cook with your burner and it looks to be the best for outside wok cooking. I have a few questions.

The difference between regular one and integrated electronic ignition is just the auto starter right or are there more differences? Do both have pilot flame for low heat cooking times?

I really like the stove stand, I assume that fits your burners perfectly right, just put them in and be done?

What are the stabilizers and curious what color the stove cover is? If I get the stove stand do you have cover for that as well?

Thanks very excited to have found you guys will do some videos on Facebook and probably get you more customers

Outdoorstirfry: 

  1. For difference between EI and IEI options, please read https://outdoorstirfry.com/faq/differences-of-160ei-and-160iei-and-stand-question/.  Electronic ignition can’t serve as pilot flame.  Only our manual ignition option has a built-in pilot flame.
  2. Our PowerFlamer propane 160 short leg stove can drop onto the top hole on the stand. 
  3. Please click on “Usage Example” on the product page https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/long-leg-stabilizer-for-long-leg-stoves/ to see how stabilizers are used for more stable legs.  
  4. Please click on “Usage Examples” on the stand product page https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/stove-stand-stainless/ to see 2 colors examples. 

Inquiry: 

Thank you for quick response!  So if I want the stove stand and don’t care about using a lighter to initially light it I want the PowerFlamer Propane 160 with short legs and manual ignition?  Since I will have stand won’t need stabilizers correct?

For stand if I get wheels they can be locked it looks like in picture.

Will be ordering today just want to get exactly what I need.  Very excited to get your product and do proper wok cooking!  Right now even when wok is 585 degrees it falls to 180 the sec cold chicken or meat hit pan!  I end up cooking food with steam and not the searing hot pan I want/need!  🙂  I don’t think people realize they NEED your product!

Outdoorstirfry: 

  1. Your selection of short leg manual stove is correct for stand.
  2. The stand wheels have lock.  The stand is not that stable either when considering how people do their wok tossing, please click on “Usage Examples” on the stand product page https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/stove-stand-stainless/ to see pictures of heavy objects on the stand lower shelf for more stable cooking.
  3. Please watch 2nd video “How to know when to stop increasing power to a PowerFlamer propane/natural gas 160/120 stove?”  on our product documentation page https://outdoorstirfry.com/support/product-documentation/ when increasing the stove power flame. 

Inquiry: 

Was going to order but a little nervous about comment about stability of stand.  Can propane fit under the burner to give it more weight?  How heavy is burner?  I think my wife would complain if I put bricks on it, maybe I could put some of our cast iron pans we keep inside on it they’re quite heavy.  I could cook with a big cast iron pan on this as well if I want to do seared steaks or smash burgers right?

I have a pit boss flat top grill I plan to get rid of and focus on wok and cast iron pan cooking on your device hopefully.  I want the functionality with something that looks nice so wife doesn’t complain all the time.  🙂

Outdoorstirfry:

The height between two shelves of the stand does not fit a propane tank if you consider height of stove coming down from the top shelf hole.   A short leg PowerFlamer propane stove has weight about 23lbs. 

If your and wife’s wok cooking does not involve much wok tossing which can carry an edge of the stove which in turn affects the stand, you don’t have to worry much about the stability.   We are user to the stove with long legs ourselves for last 20 years.   We don’t have any stabilizers since our cooking style does not involve tossing.  Even if we toss (a few times in last 20 years), we make sure to lift the entire wok out of stove not to affect the stove.

 

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PowerFlamer Propane 160 Electronic Ignition Stove Heat Continuously Adjustable?

Customer (PF13L160EI): 

In the product description, it says “Heat for all manual ignition stoves is continuously adjustable from 0 to 160kBTU/Hr;” I assume that the electronic ignition stoves are also adjustable from 0 to 160k? I would like both electronic ignition and adjustable if that is possible. I definitely want it to be adjustable!

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank you for spotting the description on continuous heat adjustment.  Heat from all PowerFlamer propane 160 stoves is continuously adjustable.   We have corrected that phrase. 

Customer:

Okay, that sounds great.

One final question/recommendation. I assume that this is the “EI” improved version of the Powerflamer 160, correct? It may be good to include an explanation on your website. There seems to be some confusion online about the original vs EI and which is being sold on your site.

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank you again on the tip on the confusion.  Can you share a link where this confusion is expressed?  We need to understand what the original means.  We always sell the latest version.   The original EI can date back 15~20 years ago.   For how the original one performs, we just uploaded a video from a customer (#1 at https://outdoorstirfry.com/cooking-library/video-tutorials/) where the 1st is similar to our original 15 years back and the 2nd one is our latest. 

It is hard to summarize all improvements we made in last 15~20 years.  If you have time, you can read through first 5~6 posts at https://outdoorstirfry.com/?s=improvement.

Customer: 

I think my main confusion was that this site (https://www.seriouseats.com/outdoor-wok-burner-review) talks about how good the “Powerflamer 160EI” is, but I did not find that product advertised on your site.

This post from March 20, 2021 (https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/buying-experience-from-one-customer/) made me wonder if the difference between the models was recent improvements.

 I only just now realized that “EI” was “Electronic Ignition”. It seems obvious now, but I only realized it by reading the many different SKU’s on the product page. (SKU: PF13L160EI-Long-Lead-Time Category: Propane Burners Tags: PF13CL160, PF13CL160EI, PF13CS160EI, PF13L160, PF13L160EI, PF13S160, PF13S160EI, PFCS160, PowerFlamer Propane 160, PowerFlamer Propane 160 burner)

Maybe a good solution would be to have a chart with the SKU/tag and then a description of what the numbers/letter mean.

Great video! I would suggest adding your description on now vs 15 years ago to the title or description to make that more clear!

Have a great day.

Outdoorstirfry: 

Your confusion makes sense.  Kenji bought a stove from us a few years back.  The stove he has is our previous generation.  We continue improving our product.   Almost every year we have new feature. 

Thank you for your suggestion.  We will see how we can amend. 

 

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Difference in 160 and 120 PowerFlamer natural gas stoves

Customer (PF13LFN160): 

hi- i’m struggling to find more information on the site about the product i just purchased- which was the natural gas 160 with long legs. can you help me understand the difference between the 160 and the 120 natural gas options? does either model feature a pilot light or electronic ignition? would it be possible to remove the long legs on the model i purchased by unscrewing them? (it looks like they’re removable/adjustable) any help would be appreciated. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

Difference between 160 and 120 natural gas stoves – different in power rating, 160 is for fixed installation where you need to purchase a yellow stainless hose from your local hardware store.  120 goes with a quick connector sets and hose but with reduced power. 

Both stoves have a pilot light which needs manual ignition.  The long legs are detachable.   

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Pros and Cons of electronic ignition

Inquiry:

Can you advise me pros and cons of having the electronic ignition?

Outdoorstirfry:

With electronic ignition option you do not need a long nose BBQ manual ignitor.  However you will need to strike a few times to get the burner going.   Manual ignition has a pilot flame.  Typically you light the pilot up and light up the burner from pilot.

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why the Electronic Ignition is so much more expensive and does it worth it?

Inquiry:

I’m interested to order your high pressure wok burner, I see you have 2 products in the list and the difference is basically Electronic Ignition or Manual Ignition (am I right?) while the price is different by $60.

My question is why the Electronic Ignition is so much more expensive and does it worth it? and looking at the Q&A of Electronic Ignition version, you mentioned “usually the first part not to function” is the Electronic Ignition. I want to understand how long life of the Electronic Ignition itself do you expect if the frequency of using it is around 2~3 times per week?  Thanks

Outdoorstirfry:

Electronic ignition gives convenience without needing a manual ignitor.   Its life does not heavily depend on how frequent you are using it.   Its life ages along with outdoor environment.  It typically last about 2 years in life as outdoor environment deteriorates the wiring and increases leakage paths.    As a contrast, we have other parts of stove running >15~20 years without failure.

Inquiry:

When you say “we have other parts of stove running >15~20 years without failure”, you mean the main strove of the product, right?

It seems based on your answer, I just go for the product with the manual ignitor. It’s not really that much incontinent anyway (with the BBA ignitor) , right?

Outdoorstirfry:

You are right.  The rest of the stove lasts much longer.   If you are used to use a long nose BBQ igniter, it is OK.

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Tank adaptor for PowerFlamer propane 160 stove (ACME QCC Type 1 connector) for France

Inquiry: 

Hi, Is the burner compatible for France propane? Any modification needed for bottle propane in France?

Outdoorstirfry:

Good question.  The stove goes with an ACME type 1 QCC tank adaptor.  It needs another piece of adaptor to connect to tank in France.  Please read https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/tank-adaptor-for-stove-for-france-and-germany/.

Inquiry: 

Thanks for your response.

Could you also specify what is meant by natural gas? Some models are natural gas, are you referring to butane? Are these models  compatible for France for bottle butane gas?  Thx

Outdoorstirfry: 

Natural gas comes into household through pipe here in USA.  The natural gas pipe gas pressure is typically around ½ PSI but can deliver a lot of volume.   Propane gas is either tanked or bottled.  Full tank it is liquified and pressure can be >200PSI.    Can you search up what gas are available in France?   Please provide links.

Inquiry: 

I am planning to use only with tank and propane gas in France is a 5 kilos square bottle. Unsure if you’ll be able to open the link (https://www.butagaz.fr/bouteilles-de-gaz/nos-produits/cube-propane) but is there any issue if I use the adaptor you mentioned with a French propane gas tank?

Sorry, another question, what’s the difference between the powerflamer 160 long lead time and the powerflamer 160 plus?  Just want to check prior to ordering.

Also, would you recommend manual ignition to electronic? Asking as if there’s any issue I’ll be in France and unsure someone would be able to repair the electronic switch?

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank for your link.  It is helpful.   Usually your tank needs a push-in and clip-on type of connection.  Please look at the direct Clip Connection piece at link.   On the connection there should be an outlet fitting that fits the adaptor of our link. 

The main difference between PowerFlamer propane 160 and Plus is their burner size.   Plus has a bigger burner.    One customer wrote a comparison at link https://outdoorstirfry.com/?s=burner+comparison.  Also we offer various electronic ignition  options.  The plus electronic option is more like indoor gas range type, with only one knob.    Electronic ignition option is not as reliable as the manual option. 

Customer: 

Just to clarify, I reached out to find out the adaptor and they’re recommending this for the propane bottle ( https://www.laboutiquedugaz.fr/produit/adaptateur-bouteille-clipsable/) I will use (5 kg cube propane butagaz bottle). I also need the direct clip as well or only1 adaptor?

Outdoorstirfry: 

You will need two pieces as below before connecting to a PowerFlamer stove.

  1.  https://www.laboutiquedugaz.fr/produit/adaptateur-bouteille-clipsable/
  2. https://www.laboutiquedugaz.fr/produit/adaptateur-usa-canada-vers-bouteille-francaise/