Hi All,
Our new generation of PowerFlamer propane 160 integrated ignition stoves has arrived 12/2022. This product family has a new wind guard design which minimizes the bottom hole size between the wind guard and the burner base plate. A comparison between the new wind guard and the previous one is below.
The new wind guard preserves a feature that it can be rotated to mount onto the burner base plate to accommodate 3 wok long handle positions.
Customer (PF13L160EI):
In the product description, it says “Heat for all manual ignition stoves is continuously adjustable from 0 to 160kBTU/Hr;” I assume that the electronic ignition stoves are also adjustable from 0 to 160k? I would like both electronic ignition and adjustable if that is possible. I definitely want it to be adjustable!
Outdoorstirfry:
Thank you for spotting the description on continuous heat adjustment. Heat from all PowerFlamer propane 160 stoves is continuously adjustable. We have corrected that phrase.
Customer:
Okay, that sounds great.
One final question/recommendation. I assume that this is the “EI” improved version of the Powerflamer 160, correct? It may be good to include an explanation on your website. There seems to be some confusion online about the original vs EI and which is being sold on your site.
Outdoorstirfry:
Thank you again on the tip on the confusion. Can you share a link where this confusion is expressed? We need to understand what the original means. We always sell the latest version. The original EI can date back 15~20 years ago. For how the original one performs, we just uploaded a video from a customer (#1 at https://outdoorstirfry.com/cooking-library/video-tutorials/) where the 1st is similar to our original 15 years back and the 2nd one is our latest.
It is hard to summarize all improvements we made in last 15~20 years. If you have time, you can read through first 5~6 posts at https://outdoorstirfry.com/?s=improvement.
Customer:
I think my main confusion was that this site (https://www.seriouseats.com/outdoor-wok-burner-review) talks about how good the “Powerflamer 160EI” is, but I did not find that product advertised on your site.
This post from March 20, 2021 (https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/buying-experience-from-one-customer/) made me wonder if the difference between the models was recent improvements.
I only just now realized that “EI” was “Electronic Ignition”. It seems obvious now, but I only realized it by reading the many different SKU’s on the product page. (SKU: PF13L160EI-Long-Lead-Time Category: Propane Burners Tags: PF13CL160, PF13CL160EI, PF13CS160EI, PF13L160, PF13L160EI, PF13S160, PF13S160EI, PFCS160, PowerFlamer Propane 160, PowerFlamer Propane 160 burner)
Maybe a good solution would be to have a chart with the SKU/tag and then a description of what the numbers/letter mean.
Great video! I would suggest adding your description on now vs 15 years ago to the title or description to make that more clear!
Have a great day.
Outdoorstirfry:
Your confusion makes sense. Kenji bought a stove from us a few years back. The stove he has is our previous generation. We continue improving our product. Almost every year we have new feature.
Thank you for your suggestion. We will see how we can amend.
Inquiry:
What is the difference between 5B burner and your PowerFlamer 160 stoves? Check this out on Amazon – High Pressure Burner Propane Iron Wok Burner 5B Fast Stove 100,000 BTU https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JNK5CHG/ref=cm_sw_r_em_api_glt_i_AQJM50KWN4CHH6M21F0W?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Outdoorstirfry:
Comparing to this 5B burner on amazon, here are some advantages of our stoves:
1. We have long leg option;
2. We have configurable option for 1lb. propane bottle;
3. We provide spider guard;
4. We have stabilizers for long legs;
5. Our hose has stainless braid;
6. Our paint lasts much longer before rust starts;
7. this Amazon stove product may only provide two main power setting. And the seller may not be able to tell you as they are wholesaler, not technical at all;
8. We are designer and builder of our own stove, we know inside out and have our own patents. We support our products from a sky high expert point of view.
List can be longer, but let’s stop at above 8 points.
Inquiry:
I like the electrical burner, but I’m worried the electrical switch will eventually wear out. However, Im assuming the manual burner will not, since less parts. If electrical switch does wear out, will it easily convert to manual burner?
Also, does manual burner have the spider guard?
Also, I heard people complain about the hose not fitting securely on some wok burners. Does your model have clamps to remedy this issue?
Thanks for listening to me.
Outdoorstirfry:
When the electric igniter fails, you can use a long nose BBQ igniter to ignite the main burner directly. You are operating it as a manual stove without a pilot flame.
The manual stove has its spider guard.
Our PowerFlamer 160/120 stoves do not use clamp. Our hose connection is patent pending. The hose connection to the stove should be tight and meet local code.
Inquiry:
One last question, have you done any new remodeling on the manual stove other than spider guard? I’m leaning towards purchasing this one because I’m a cheapskate and don’t mind using long nose lighter ? Thanks!
Outdoorstirfry:
Here is the list of improvement on our manual PowerFlamer stove:
Customer (PF13L160/stabilizers/cover):
What a pleasant surprise to know it’s coming earlier than you first predicted. (You first told me 3-6months.). A quick question I have while I am waiting for stove, regarding blue flame vs yellow flame. I know we want the flame as blue as possible. So as a general rule, would you say I should just leave maximum air for the bluest flame? Or do you have a recommended air ratio for me?
Outdoorstirfry:
The stove as shipped has already been adjusted to give blue flame. However in case, there is a mixing wheel in front of the burner inlet that you can play and adjust.
Customer:
I installed the legs as instructed (screws facing inside, inward Bend facing outside). It is still very wobbly and I don’t think these screws are easy to screw in. I do a lot of wok tossing and I’m genuinely afraid it will fall over when I’m cooking and cause major injury…..can you suggest a better solution for me? Also tell me the screw size. I think I’m going to home Depot to get better ones. The ones you provided are hard to screw with my screw driver.
Just used my stove for the first time. I thought I would give you a bit of feedback if that’s all right with you.
Good: The stove itself works great. The concentrated fire is very powerful. I actually caught grease fire the first time I add oil in wok because I wasn’t aware how hot it gets. That’s something I need to learn. Also absolutely love the pilot light and fire control. Now I can turn fire off and add ingredients , then turn it back on, without feeling rushed.
Need improvement: the legs are fairly stable, I haven’t had accident yet. But still not super confident with it, even with stabilizers. Your stove is advertised as 13″ diameter, but I only measure 11″ inside. So not very big to flip wok against fire-guard like those professional Chinese chef. But you can increase sales for smaller 12″ wok, since that fits perfectly. I bought the cover, that definitely needs improvement. It’s just a basic tarp I can buy from home Depot, doesn’t fit properly and doesn’t look nice.
Overall great product. Communication was great, and you were knowledgeable and fast. I love the Chinese entrepreneur spirit, as I’m Chinese myself. I wish you all the best. Happy holidays.
Outdoorstirfry:
Thank you for your feedback. We always want to hear what our customers say on our products. We are always thinking of how to improve. A couple points to clarify. We name our stove 13” by its wok ring adaptor outer diameter. We understand regular house does not need a restaurant type stove and it will require too big a wok. Also We purposely do not make the tarp cover down to the ground which will collect dirt and leaves.
Customer:
Regarding the cover, what I mean was, it was a bit too big. Perhaps a more fitted smaller one would look more appealing, maybe even with outdoorstirfry logo on it! May I also suggest some clippings for the bottom of cover to secure with the legs. That way on very windy days, the cover won’t fly away. Anyway, that’s just my idea. Hope you find it helpful. Cheers.
Outdoorstirfry:
Thank you for more information on the cover. We make the cover for all our stove products. It is slightly bigger for PowerFlamer propane 160. We have bigger stove products. Currently our cover has two versions, one with grummet holes and another with strings at the bottom. If there are strings on yours, you can use them to strap to the legs of the stove. If there are only grummet holes, you can come up with a string yourself to tie the grummet holes to the legs of the stove.
Inquiry:
Outdoorstirfry:
Customer (PF13L160EI):
We are lagging behind not having facebook and tweeters. After receiving the stove, you can write to us about all this experience starting from Amazon purchase to from us after receiving the stove. Then we can combine all our conversation to put on our website anonymously. Of course you are welcome to put it anywhere including facebook.
We had a dispute with Amazon in January on that Amazon encourages sellers like hfgxus to sell on our product page. We are extremely discouraged to list there so far. We will re-consider in the future.
For the 1st item, can you send us a picture on what you are talking about? 2nd item, it is 3/8”.
Customer:
Good morning, Very happy with your 160 Wok burner, cooked my first meal, loved how it turned out.Thank you for getting back to me, here are photos explaining my question about the position of the electric spark generator.
The electronic ignition unit is positioned outside of the wind guard to prevent too much heat on the electric wire insulation. When it ignites, it shoot out a flame that is long enough to reach the main burner.
Glad that you satisfy with the outcome of your dish.
Customer:
Based on what you wrote to me about the wind guard and the igniter, I will position the igniter a little bit further outside the bowl so it is barely inside the the external bowl. I had no problems with my first cooking experience with the spark igniter. I read your previous comments about not burning the wires on the igniter. Your customer service is outstanding, and I will go back to Amazon and complement you as the inventor and developer of this wok burner with outstanding customer service, even if you’re selling it through a new distributor , so should I recommend that they go directly with outdoorstirfry.com or continue to buy it through Amazon?
Customer:
Inquiry:
Inquiry:
I’m trying to understand what your warning about the electronic ignition melting really means and how that effects how to use the burner during cooking.
1) Does your electronic ignition actually run on batteries and it has an on/off switch that can be left in the on position? In it does have a switch that can be left in the on position then you are warning about the constant cycling of the ignition spark will melt the wires so the switch has to be turned off immediately after the pilot is lit? Is this the condition you are warning about?
2) Or do you mean your electronic ignition is actually a manual strike piezo electric ignitor and that the PILOT LIGHT cannot stay on after the main burner is lit or the wires will melt? So what you actually mean is that the Pilot Light has to be turned off after the main burner is lit or the wires will met? Is this the case?
3) If 2) is the case does that mean I have to re-light the pilot every time I turn the main burner off during a cooking session?
4 If I order the manual version I can leave the pilot light running and only have to light it with a match once per cooking session. Is that a correct statement? Best regards,
Outdoorstirfry:
Very good questions. Your 2), 3) and 4) are true.
Inquiry:
Thank you for your quick reply and for providing the detailed operational information and cautions on your new product design. This is very helpful. There are many design improvements so I see you are continuously upgrading your product and offerings.
Thank you all for your patience in waiting for this new generation of PowerFlamer propane and natural gas burners. Here we would like to summarize the improvements we have done to this new generation as compared with our previous one:
You can use our contact form to give us feedback on our products. 2021/2/12.
These stoves have long lead time from order to ship due to various factors such as manufacturing capacity, inventory (in stock or not) etc.. If you can tolerate such long waiting time, you can pre-order above into our waiting list.
The stove in this product family is constructed to achieve best heating by concentrating flames toward the bottom of a wok. High and adjustable power (heat) cooking is the key to retaining fresh and crispy of your food.
The stove comes with a high pressure regulator, hose, and a tank connector. If the stove is configurable, it can be configured to connect to a propane tank or bottle. If the stove is not configurable, it is ready to connect to a propane tank;
The short-legged stove can be used on a table at home backyard. The long-legged stove can be used as a ground stove, or on a table after detaching the long legs. If your cooking style involves wok tossing, you might want to consider purchasing long leg stabilizer adaptors.
The PF13xx160IEI is equivalent to a commercial version for fast stir frying in restaurants. It uses high pressure propane gas to achieve the most powerful outdoor stove ever built for wok cooking. It does not work with the flat bottom cookware adapter FBCA_PF13x130. New generation of PF13xx160xx stoves adds to stove stability, smooth and continuous burner and pilot flames, detachable hose/regulator assembly and combined wind guard with wok adaptor ring while maintaining their simple, robust, sturdy and reliable operation with key features of stainless braided hose, spider web guard, integrated top burner plate, adjustable position for wok handle, ACME type 1 QCC connector for north America and POL connector (upon request) for rest of the world (PF13xx160IEI);
Heat for all stoves is continuously adjustable from 0 to 160kBTU/Hr;
Stove wind guard: 13″; stove ring diameter: 13″; Hose length: 5′; Height of long-leg stoves: 30″ for PF13xxL160IEI stoves; height of short-leg stoves: 12″; Leg base diameter: long-leg stoves: 30″, short-leg stoves: 10″.
For electronic ignition version, we can’t guarantee that the main burner can be reliably ignited by the electronic igniter head. We recommend to have a manual BBQ long-arm igniter handy in case the electronic igniter head is not functioning.
(PF13L160IEI, PF13L160IEI_Cover, PF13L160IEI_Stabilizers, PF13L160IEI_Stabilizers_Cover, PF13S160IEI, PF13S160IEI_Cover, PF13CL160IEI, PF13CL160IEI_Cover, PF13CL160IEI_Stabilizers, PF13CL160IEI_Stabilizers_Cover, PF13CS160IEI, PF13CS160IEI_Cover)
Inquiry:
Can you help me with product selection? Looking for high output, propane tank only, work burner with legs.
Question. Are there any special advantage to electronic ignition? (Very easy for me to use stick lighter and electronic ignition feels like more things tat could go wrong.) Also, I see that there is a new design coming in 2021. Does this effect the manual ignition version also? Will you soon be closing out the 2020 electronic ignition versions?
Outdoorstirfry:
Based upon your description, we would suggest PF13L160.
Very good questions. The advantage of electronic ignition is that you don’t have to have a manual long nose BBQ ignitor when the electronic ignition works. I agree with you. More part can go wrong sooner. Electronic ignition can last probably on average 2~3 years in outdoor all weather situation. Our electronic ignition version is already out of stock for rest of 2020. Our manual version will go out of stock in about a month.
The new generation will affect both electronic and manual ignition versions as they share most parts.
Inquiry:
What will be the differences in the new model? (Trying to decide if to order now or wait for the new version). Application will be amateur home cook. Not-regular use.
How do your units compare to the similar Manniu burners?
Outdoorstirfry:
The new generation improves a few areas such as paint, flame, legs and regulator.
We did not come out of these products out of blue. Originally we were just regular user like you, starting buying from product sold like by Manniu to cook. Then we were not satisfied on them and started to modify them. The moment we were notified that we got issue of patent rights, we realized that we have to have money to pay to the government. And here are the products you can buy with 15~20 years of improvements on them.
Inquiry:
And thank you for the insights into the 2021 model. In your opinion, are the upgrades worth waiting for or would I be perfectly satisfied with the 2020 version you recommended? (I will go with the manual ignition)
Outdoorstirfry:
You should be fully satisfied with existing version if you don’t care rust. The existing one is silver color in all. The new one will have more than one color among different parts.
Inquiry:
Are there useful functional upgrades to the burner and controls in the 2021 PF13L160 or are most of the changes cosmetic?
Do some people paint your burners with high heat enamel to reduce the rust and change the color?
Outdoorstirfry:
New paint will prevent rust much better. New legs will improve stability. We will make flame more consistent among different products. Yes, people can buy paint and paint themselves.
