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natural gas stove questions

Inquiry

I am looking for a table top burner to connect on a residential natural gas line.

  1. Do i need a qualified Gas technician to install in Florida? I am pretty sure i can do it myself though.
  2. Is this type of stove suitable for Garage with a window? I will leave it connected all the time as used in kitchen.
  3. I have 1/2″ natural gas line in garage (picture attached). Will i be able to connect this model straight away? Will you include all required fixtures on both ends?

Outdoorstirfry

  1. Usually local code can require your installation to comply, especially if you want it indoor. In that case only our fixed installation type like EF13SFN50 can comply.   For outdoor installation, it is much more relaxed.  For sure, you will need to check with your local city.
  2. We would only suggest our fixed installation type for your indoor garage.  But we don’t have a suitable 2 burner fixed installation stove.  
  3. Your picture shows a shut off valve. Depend on specific stove product you buy, you might have to buy some fittings from your local hardware store to complete the installation.

Inquiry: 

Many thanks for your reply. Actually i was thinking to buy your EasyFlamer EF05SQN10DUO: Short Leg Duo Burner Natural Gas Stove with Quick Disconnect.  do you think this is suitable for Garage? Also, could you please advise about your return policy in case if it does not fit on our line or suit us?

Outdoorstirfry

Quick connector is usually an outdoor gadget.  Indoor even in garage is better to have fixed installation.  

You can return the stove within 60 days of purchase if it does not fit and has not been used.

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natural gas stove for my outdoor kitchen

Inquiry:   

Hi- I am building an outdoor kitchen and recently came across your product after a significant amount of research. I am looking for a natural gas wok burner and can’t find anything that gets in the BTU range 0-160 that yours does. Is this correct? do I need to discuss anything with the plumber when he is setting up the gas line to make sure I get enough BTUs to the stove?

Outdoorstirfry

Our natural gas stove products use regular residential natural line.  If you make purchase, we will provide installation guide and support to achieve the power of the product.   Your plumber, if a good one, should not do practice like reducing down the line size from the utility entry point.  

We are not aware of other products.  If you know any similar to our product, please forward the link to us.  We will comment.  

We are sorry that you have to do a significant research in order to find our site.  Internet search engines, in these days,  are not able to make good and creditable information readily available at consumers’ finger tips.  Let us know any further question.

Inquiry

Thanks for the response.  

I just want to verify that I will get enough BTUS out of this with natural gas.  We can do that correct?

Also- I see that you are in the midwest.  Where in the midwest are you?

Outdoorstirfry

Yes our product will give rated power with residential natural gas line.  

We are in bay area California.   I used to work in Cleveland and Milwaukee area before.

Inquiry

A couple more questions:

How big of a wok will the burner hold?
How long does it take fro ordering to delivery?

Outdoorstirfry: 

Wok size from 14~22″ should fit really well.  Ordering to delivery should be within 10 days.   If you live close to west coast, it is about half time.

Inquiry

A couple more questions:

I will have a gas line run to the wok.  Do I need any electric run to it in order for it to operate?

I assume this allows a variable flame.  So if I want to go full blast on the wok I can or I can dial it back for a lower BTU.  

Some of the other ones I have seen are all or nothing.  No midrange flame.

Outdoorstirfry:   

The stove does not need electric run.  You can adjust the flame continuously.

Inquiry:

I’m getting closer to my design for the outdoor kitchen.  I’m looking at this model – PowerFlamer PF13SFN160: High Power Short Leg Natural Gas Stove with Fixed Installation.

One question I have: Does the gas pipe face the chef or can it be installed where the ipe can face a different direction? 

Also if I purchase and I don’t like it for any reason, can I return for. full refund?

Also – Do you have any photos of this unit installed?

Outdoorstirfry

PF13SFN160 has a top wok support which you can oriented conveniently to protect the chef.  This should allow the pipe to be installed away from the checf.

You can return the stove within 30 days on your own.  We will refund full for the stove, but not the shipping cost as it is spent.

A picture of the installation without the top wok support is below.

 

 

 

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Product customization request

Inquiry

I have a Natural gas outlet on my patio. My grill does NOT have a burner. I am looking for a Natural Gas burner that I can simply attach to my outdoor NG outlet. Will this work? Is this what I need for a stand alone NG outdoor burner? This is the only one I see on Amazon. Are the Propane burners I se on Amazon able to be used with Natural Gas?

Outdoorstirfry

Propane and natural gas burners are not interchangeable. Our natural gas products on amazon all have quick connector coming in pair – a plug already installed on the stove hose end and socket to be installed on your natural gas pipe. Once installed, our stove can plug in or be removed easily for cooking, storage or to accommodate other natural gas appliance like natural gas grill. Hope we answer your question.  

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Only difference between PF13LQN120 & PF13LFN160 is gas connect method?

Inquiry: 

Hi there,  Is the only difference between the PF13LQN120 & PF13LFN160 the gas connect method; quick connect vs. direct?
 
If so, is everything else identical between on two models (the burner, size, height, etc)?
 
I don’t understand how there can be a 40k BTU difference in output if the only difference between the models is quick connect vs. fixed.
 
What size are the black pipe fittings on the stove? They look like1/2″ from the photos.
 
Outdoorstirfry: 

Our fixed installation stove allows more gas to pass through to the burner.   Both 160K and 120K numbers are our actual measurement data points.   We don’t have more photos than that available from our web site.   Usually fixed installation is for serious customer who need to meet local code requirement by hiring a licensed plumber (~$200/Hr rate) and proper code compliance hose.   For regular home cooking, most people should find 120KBTU one is quite sufficient.   The black pipe on our stove is 1/2″. 

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How to choose a natural gas stove?

Inquiry

Hello,  could you please help me select a natural gas stove. it’s for patio use, I have a natural gas line on patio.   thanks.

Outdoorstirfry

A few questions:

1.  Do you have a patio cooking island to build in the stove?  Or Is the stove going to be stand alone? 

2. Do you have other appliance such as a grill already using your natural gas line? 

3. Do you intend to remove the stove from the natural gas line after use? 

4. Do you prefer restaurant style high heat cooking or just a bit higher heat than typical indoor stove? 

5. Does your local code require fixed installation and you will hire a license plumber to install to your natural gas line? 

Inquiry:

 

  1. No, stand alone or leave it on a table
  2. No
  3. Yes
  4. Just normal use, able deep fried dishes
  5. I don’t think so, i have a natural gas design for hook up a grill 

Outdoorstirfry:

Thanks for your answer. 

For a stand alone stove, we recommend EF13LQN50WG at http://outdoorstirfry.com/?page_id=321#EF13LQN50WG

For table top stove, we recommend the short leg version at http://outdoorstirfry.com/?page_id=321#EF13SQN50WG

Let us know if there is further question.

Inquiry:  

Thanks for your recommendations.  I worry about back fire and gas leak.

Outdoorstirfry:  

Very good questions.   

On back fire, do you worry back fire into the natural gas pipe?   This we never heard of.  Any gas will need to mix with oxygen from the air in order to burn.  Inside the pipe there is no oxygen.  I would not worry about this, especially with a turn off valve and a quick connect valve in between the stove hose and the gas supply pipe.

Back fire from the stove burner to the ignition head – possible when there is some blockage between the ignition head and the burner.  This type of blockage typically is caused by insect, such as spider, inside the burner pipes.  Our stove has mesh preventing this to happen.   

For gas leak, any stove can develop gas leak when its components are aged, especially under outdoor environment.   Since you will remove the connection from the stove to the gas line after cooking, you remove this possibility when not cooking.   You will be able to smell the leak when you hook up the stove and turn on the gas line valve before cooking.  You should stop and find out where it leaks and have a fix before proceeding to cook.  We will provide help if you send video or picture of your setup.

Let us know if there is further question.

Inquiry

The attached is the gas pipe on the patio.  Does the diameter work?

Outdoorstirfry

Our stove quick connector set is of 3/8”.  Your pipe looks like either ½” or ¾”.   When installing our quick connector socket to your pipe, you will need to find a ½” to 3/8” or ¾” to 3/8” coupling which is readily available from your hardware store. 

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natural gas stove

Inquiry

    Hi- I am building an outdoor kitchen and recently came across your product after a significant amount of research. I am looking for a natural gas wok burner and can’t find anything that gets in the BTU range 0-160 that yours does. Is this correct? do I need to discuss anything with the plumber when he is setting up the gas line to make sure I get enough BTUs to the stove?

Outdoorstirfry

Our natural gas stove products use regular residential natural line.  If you make purchase, we will provide installation guide and support to achieve the power of the product.   Your plumber, if a good one, should not do practice like reducing down the line size from the utility entry point. 

We are not aware of other products.  If you know any similar to our product, please forward the link to us.  We will comment. 

We are sorry that you have to do a significant research in order to find our site.  Internet search engines, in these days,  are not able to make good and creditable information readily available at consumers’ finger tips.  Let us know any further question.

Inquiry

Thanks for the response. I just want to verify that I will get enough BTUS out of this with natural gas.  We can do that correct?

Outdoorstirfry:     

Yes our product will give rated power with residential natural gas line. 

Inquiry:

A couple more questions:   How big of a wok will the burner hold?  How long does it take fro ordering to delivery?
 
Outdoorstirfry
 
Wok size from 14~22″ should fit really well.  Ordering to delivery should be within 10 days.   If you live close to west coast, it is about half time.
 
Inquiry
 
A couple more questions:
    
    I will have a gas line run to the wok.  Do I need any electric run to it in order for it to operate?  I assume this allows a variable flame.  So if I want to go full blast on the wok I can or I can dial it back for a lower BTU.  Some of the other ones I have seen are all or nothing.  No midrange flame.  
 
Outdoorstirfry:
 
The stove does not need electric run.   You can adjust the flame continuously.
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About quick connector (Natural Gas Stoves)

Inquiry

I see your description with included hose saying 5″ and I am pretty sure you meant 5′. I have a quick connect for my bbq grill and assuming this easily connects the same? Do you know the btu rating? Thanks!

Outdoorstirfry

The hose length on our natural gas product web page should be 5 feet, 5’.  We have corrected this.   Max power for EasyFlamer stoves is 23kBTU/Hr and 120KBTU/Hr for the PowerFlamer natural gas stoves.   Our quick connector size is 3/8”.

 

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Smell Gas

Customer (PF13LQN120): 

I just installed my burner. A few questions:
 
1. Is it normal to not see the flame in daylight?
2. I smell unburnt gas when using… is it possible all the gas it not burning up?
3. What is the round cast iron ring for? Must it be used at all times? 
 
Outdoorstirfry
 
1.  You are right.  It is difficult to see the flame in daylight.
2.  Whenever we smell unburnt gas, we need to check if anywhere has a leak.   The stove was tested before ship, we did check for leak before.   Have you noticed that the pilot light does not have flame?   Is the pilot valve turned off fully?   Is there any orifice from the main burner not lit up?   Please check it in the evening time such that you can see the flame.   Are you using the quick connector pair we shipped to you.   Any picture of your setup would help.  And Let’s us know.
3.  If you mean the silver cast iron ring, it should sit on top of the stove wind guard to support a wok.   It is called wok adapter.   It needs to be used all the time otherwise the stove flame may not come around the wok and may not function correctly. 
 
Let us know any further question.
 
Customer:
 
Thanks so much for your quick response. Follow-ups:
 
As for point 2. Yes I have used the supplied adapter. Yes I have used a soap water to check for leaks at all connections, my connections as well as yours. There are no leaks. I’m concerned that there is gas coming out of the burner while burning and just not fully igniting 100% of it. 
 
 As for point three, I’m actually talking about the attached pictures. Does this piece always need to be on? Do I have it installed correctly?
 
Outdoorstirfry
 
Yes by picture I know your quick connectors are installed well.   
 
for item 2, please view all orifices during evening time such that you can check if all are with flame.   If not all having flame, the stove needs to turn on more power.
 
for item 3, this is the piece that covers all stove orifices such that all flame can be focused toward the bottom of the wok.  Without this piece on top of the orifices, the flame may not be optimum.   There are notches on this piece that you need to align it right on top of the burner ring for a flush mount.   
 
Let us know any further questions.
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How tall does the flame from a PF13LFN160 reach?

Customer (PF13LQN120):

Looking at the videos, it seems that the flame on the natural gas burner extends far above the top of the wok height when used with full power. Is this correct? If so, I’m concerned that it will be a fire hazard to the surrounding area. Do you have any recommendations?

Outdoorstirfry:

Good question.   Without a wok to stop the flame, the flame from a PF13LFN160 can reach about 3~4 feet in height at maximum heat.   Typically this flame will be stop by the bottom of the wok.   Then it surrounds the bottom of the wok upward to heat the entire wok.   Your wok will need to be a long handle type.  We recommend 2 feet clear space around the stove and you will need to have high enough ceiling.

Customer:

Thanks for your quick response and for the answers to my questions. Unfortunately, we don’t have a space where it would be safe to use this burner, so we’ll need to cancel the order.   Thank you for your help.

Outdoorstirfry:

We understand your constraint.   May we suggest two replacements:

  1. If you can use propane tank, we would suggest to send you a PF13L160 plus refunding the difference.   PF13L160 should achieve greater heat than a PF13LQN120.   Please note that the maximum flame height of a PF13L160 can still reach 1~2 feet.   However this usually would not happen as the cook usually dials down the heat before removing the wok on top (this should apply to PF13LQN120 as well).    Besides not everybody needs to cook at maximum heat at all time.
  2. Get a PF13LQN50WG stove instead.  This should still enable you to hook up to a natural gas line.   Although it has lower heat, it is still at least twice as powerful as indoor gas burner.   This one has really short flame. Maximum flame height is only about half foot.

Let us know your decision.   If you decide for refund, we will gladly do so.

Outdoorstirfry:

If we don’t hear from you by end of today, we will refund your order.

Customer:

Thanks for the suggestion of alternative options and sorry for being slow to reply. I believe that the original PF13LQN120 design is the best for my situation and that I can adapt it to make it safe. Therefore, I’ll stick with my original order – sorry for the inconvenience.

I plan to add a stop on the gas valve to prevent it from opening all the way and creating too high of a flame. Ideally, I would also find a way to add a wraparound splatter guard as well to help contain the food and flame. If you have any advice for these, please let me know.

Outdoorstirfry:

OK we will proceed to ship a PF13LQN120 stove.

On the splatter idea, we have not come up with any good idea except at home our cooking does not toss that much.   Restaurants toss a lot.  That is why they have stainless counter top around the stove for all escaped food pieces.

Customer:

Great, thank you for all of your help.

Outdoorstirfry:

At our home we put the stove on concrete.  We sweep everything splattered from the stove to the ground to our compost bin.

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Electronic Ignition Function in our 1 Burner Low Pressure Stove

This applies to our low pressure EasyFlamer 1 burner stoves, both propane and natural gas.   Behind the front power adjusting knob and under the burner pipe and front cover there is an electronic ignition valve assembly.  The electronic ignition function can be unreliable and its ability to ignite can vary from unit to unit and under different weather conditions.   We advise to always have a manual BBQ long nose igniter handy when the electronic ignition function is not working.   Please be aware that this product shipped from us may not have a functioning electronic ignition.  In this case the stove is functioning as a manual one.