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Questions on PowerFlamer Stove Options.

Inquiry: 

Hi there. I’m looking to buy one of your PowerFlamer Propane 160 Stoves, and I’m hoping you can help me clarify some things. Is the IEI the only option that has the new 6″ burner? Is the manual EI the only option with a pilot light? If the electric starter on the IEI fails (they commonly do, right?), will you have to reignite between dishes with a lighter? The manual EI ignites with a turn-and-click sort of knob, and no lighter needed, right? Do you sell an option that has the new burner, is easy to start/stop between dishes, and without worry of that breaking? It seems like right now, you can only have the new burner, or a reliable ignition, but not both. But I don’t see why you’d move forward with the IEI if it were majorly flawed. Hoping you can help me understand… Separately, “tankandbottle,” what does this technically add to the stove? Is that an enhancement that I could add later if needed, or it has to be included up front?

Outdoorstirfry: 

Is the IEI the only option that has the new 6″ burner? – yes

Is the manual EI the only option with a pilot light? – the manual option is the only one having the pilot light.  The EI has an electronic ignition as the right knob. 

If the electric starter on the IEI fails (they commonly do, right?), will you have to reignite between dishes with a lighter? – You can use a long nose BBQ igniter if both IEI and EI electronic ignition fails.

The manual EI ignites with a turn-and-click sort of knob, and no lighter needed, right? – the EI right knob is for ignition.  You do not need a long nose BBQ ignitor when this is working.

Do you sell an option that has the new burner, is easy to start/stop between dishes, and without worry of that breaking? –  You can default to use manual BBQ igniter by ignoring the electronic function even for the IEI version.

It seems like right now, you can only have the new burner, or a reliable ignition, but not both. But I don’t see why you’d move forward with the IEI if it were majorly flawed. Hoping you can help me understand… – you are right, the IEI version is not flawed.

Separately, “tankandbottle,” what does this technically add to the stove? – please read https://outdoorstirfry.com/?s=tank+and+bottle+difference.

Is that an enhancement that I could add later if needed, or it has to be included up front? – yes.  There is an extra piece to connect to a 1lb bottle. 

Inquiry: 

Thanks so much for the fast reply. Quick follow up… So then, are you recommending the IEI for most people, since you consider the gen 2 to be a universal improvement over the EI? Like, the IEI has both the manual and electric ignitions, so you only need a long nose BBQ igniter if both fail? Is it easy enough to turn down the flame ultra low on the IEI, to the point where it’s basically approximating what the pilot would be? Or is it probably going to shut off completely when you try that?

Outdoorstirfry: 

IEI has only one knob.  There are customers who are used to indoor range and prefer single knob operation.  We would consider IEI more expensive, a bit more powerful than the EI.  IEI may not fit everybody’s budget.   Both IEI and EI have electronic ignition.  You can use long nose BBQ igniter to manual ignite the main burner in case the electronic ignition fails.  IEI does not have manual ignition and pilot light.  Burner flame of all PowerFlamer stoves (manual, EI and IEI) is continuously adjustable.  At minimum, they can be blown off by wind. 

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Questions on Tank/Bottle, Stabilizers, Pilot Flame for PowerFlamer 160.

Inquiry: 

Hi, Do I have to buy a tank or bottle with the 160 long lead time model? I’d like to not have to do this. Also, what exactly do the leg stabilizers do? How do they work? And does the cover custom fit the burner or is simply a square tarp? Lastly, is there a pilot flame without the electric ignition start or the pilot flame only exists if you have the electric ignition option?

Outdoorstirfry: 

  1.  We do not sell tank or bottle.   You will need to get them from your local hardware store or gas station.  We only sell stove that works with tank or bottle.
  2. When people cooks, they may toss the food in the wok.  Since the food can be heavy, lifting the wok from stove may not be complete.   The result is that the wok is carrying the stove to a tilt.   Leg stabilizers help to stabilize the stove.   Please look at the “Usage Examples” section at the product link https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/long-leg-stabilizer-for-long-leg-stoves/.
  3. The stove cover is a custom hand-made piece for our stove.   Please look at the “Usage Examples” section at the product link https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/stove-cover/.
  4. The electronic ignition version does not have a pilot flame.   The electronic ignition flame needs to be completely turn off after the main burner is ignited.   Our manual version has the pilot flame that can stay during cooking. 

Hope we answer your questions.   Let us know any further question.

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don’t understand how to turn on the pilot

Customer (PF13L160EI): 

I have the wok and have been using it. I don’t understand how to turn on the pilot without having to use an external flame? Could you please help.

Outdoorstirfry: 

For your stove, the right knob is for electronic ignition.   After the tank is turned on and hearing two clicks or wait for about half minute, you can turn the right knob by about 90 degrees.  Along this 90 degree turn, you should hear hissing sound indicating gas coming out from the ignition small copper tube.  By 90 degrees turn of the knob you should hear a click sound from the piezoelectric within the electronic ignition head.  At the same time, you should see a spark at the tip of the ignition small copper tube.  By 3~4 tries you might be able to get one spark to ignite the gas to a flame to shoot to the top of the main burner.   Hope this helps.

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How does the electronic ignition work?

Customer (PF13L160EI):

    I just got a 160 propane w electronic ignition. How does the electronic ignition work? No documentation. All can light and adjust it manually. It also looks like it is mounted too far back from the burner.

Outdoorstirfry:

Attached is the user installation guide.  Basically when you turn the right knob, you should hear gas coming out of the ignition tube.  When you turn the knob further, a spark should strike the gas.   Usually it takes 3~4 strikes to get the flame shooting out the ignition tube to reach the main burner.

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Pros and Cons of electronic ignition

Inquiry:

Can you advise me pros and cons of having the electronic ignition?

Outdoorstirfry:

With electronic ignition option you do not need a long nose BBQ manual ignitor.  However you will need to strike a few times to get the burner going.   Manual ignition has a pilot flame.  Typically you light the pilot up and light up the burner from pilot.

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Electronic ignition etc

Inquiry:

Good Morning, I’m interested in the above burner for outdoor wok cooking. Can you tell me a bit more about the electronic ignition and any other notes I should be aware of. From my research, this appears to be the most popular work burner out there. Thanks!

Outdoorstirfry:

The electronic ignition is a piezoelectric spark type.  It cannot serve as a pilot flame.   If you scroll down our home page and use the search box,  you should be able to come up with the information of your interest.

Inquiry:

Gotcha. What configuration do you recommend for outdoor wok cooking?

Outdoorstirfry:

We usually like simple set up, a long leg manual ignition stove with a table on its side for spices and ingredients.

Inquiry:

leg stabilizers?

Outdoorstirfry:

You can have the leg stabilizers if you toss during cooking.  For most sturdy cooking with heavy tossing, we recommend to have the short leg version on a table.

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I’m trying to understand what your warning about the electronic ignition melting really means (for PowerFlamer propane 160 electronic ignition versions).

Inquiry:

I’m trying to understand what your warning about the electronic ignition melting really means and how that effects how to use the burner during cooking.

1)  Does your electronic ignition actually run on batteries and it has an on/off switch that can be left in the on position?  In it does have a switch that can be left in the on position then you are warning about the constant cycling of the ignition spark will melt the wires so the switch has to be turned off immediately after the pilot is lit?  Is this the condition you are warning about?

2)  Or do you mean your electronic ignition is actually a manual strike piezo electric ignitor and that the PILOT LIGHT cannot stay on after the main burner is lit or the wires will melt?  So what you actually mean is that the Pilot Light has to be turned off after the main burner is lit or the wires will met?  Is this the case?

3)  If 2) is the case does that mean I have to re-light the pilot every time I turn the main burner off during a cooking session?

4  If I order the manual version I can leave the pilot light running and only have to light it with a match once per cooking session.  Is that a correct statement?    Best regards,

Outdoorstirfry:

Very good questions.   Your 2), 3) and 4) are true.

Inquiry:

Thank you for your quick reply and for providing the detailed operational information and cautions on your new product design.  This is very helpful.   There are many design improvements so I see you are continuously upgrading your product and offerings.

I have found Kenji’s video’s very helpful and this is what got me trying outdoor wok cooking and indeed it was the restaurant style cooking and wok hei flavor I am after.   Best regards ,
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Questions on PF13L160EI

Inquiry: 

Hello, I’m looking to purchase, but have a few questions.

    1) The PF13L160EI, is there any other difference between this and the manual ignition, besides the ignition? Has the electronic ignition gotten better? I read some of ur archived info, and it seems the electric ignition isn’t too reliable, and I think it’s like $50 more!

    2) what PSI is the regulator? 0-?

    3) on the electric and manual, does it now come with the braided hose screwing onto the burner? I do NOT want one that is secured with the tension strap.

    4) do you warranty the burner? If so, for how long?

    Thank you for your time.

Outdoorstirfry:

  1. the main difference between PF13L160EI and PF13L160 is the electronic ignition. Electronic ignition eventually will fail due to weather and aging of components.  So it eventually will be used as a manual one.   The electronic ignition component is much more expensive and we want to discourage it.
  2. 0-30PSI.
  3. Both stoves have stainless braided hose. However inside it is still a rubber type.  The braided stainless protect the rubber hose from environment.  The PF13L160EI still has one end of the hose secured by worm type clamp.  If you don’t like this, your choice should be PF13L160.  
  4. You can return the product if not used within 60 days of purchase. Once used we support it whole-heartily but without promise.   We reserve our right to serve our customer the best way we see it.   
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Electronic ignition head can’t strike a flame.

Outdoorstirfry (EF13SQN50WG):   

An EasyFlamer EF13SQN50WG stove has been deposited with www.xxx???.com.  It takes 2~3 business days to reach your address.   The tracking number is ????.

Attached in this email is the user installation guide.   When we test the stove before shipping, it takes 7~8 electronic strikes to have one successful.  So please have a manual long nose BBQ igniter handy.  Procedure on manual ignition can be found on page 3, item 15.   Bests.

Customer: 

So you’re telling me that the igniter is not working ? and just use a lighter ? Is there any advice that would make the igniter efficient so I can use it conveniently?

GOD Bless us all !!!

Outdoorstirfry: 

On our product page https://outdoorstirfry.com/?page_id=321, we mention this problem for this series of stoves as below:

 EasyFlamer Natural Gas Stove: The stoves are of cast iron. The single burner has two venturi pipes, four flame rings. We have installed spider guard between the ignition head and the venturi pipes in an effort to deter spider web build up. Spider web can slow or even block gas delivery along the pipes to the burner. This usually causes yellow flame at the burner or even gas burning close to ignition head area. It eventually shortens the stove life. A picture of spider guard is here. The power of the stoves is between ~5kBTU/Hr and ~23kBTU/Hr. The stoves are adapted for natural gas use based upon requests from our customers for their outdoor high power cooking. They can not be used with propane gas. Behind the front power adjusting knob and under the burner pipe and front cover there is an electronic ignition valve assembly. The electronic ignition function is not reliable and its ability to ignite can vary from unit to unit and under different weather conditions. We advise to always have a manual BBQ long nose igniter handy when the electronic ignition function is not working. Please be aware that this product shipped from us may not have a functioning electronic ignition. In this case the stove is functioning as a manual one. /p>

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The problem is actually associated with every electronic ignition gas stove.   We are accustomed to one successful strike if we get a flame within 3 tries.  Then we are fed up after #4 try.   In fact in my home I even have a manual long nose BBQ igniter beside my indoor gas range because one of the electronic “smart” ignition keeps trying but fails to ignite a flame.   On our web page we no longer sell this series of stove as electronic ignition type as we can’t guarantee them to work within 3~4 strikes.  Hope this makes sense.

Customer: 

I got you point with regards to your product but don’t generalized stoves as having ignition problems, mine doesn’t have. I bought this because, my burner on the side of my outdoor griller doesn’t fit my wok and frying pans and since I have a natural gas line in my backyard patio this item is the only one that fits. I can live with the long nose lighter but I hope this product will last long. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

The ignition problem is what we notice.   The rest of the stove should last quite long time.  We are always here to help in case you have any question or problem.

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Choosing between electronic and manual ignition

Inquiry: 

I’m excited to purchase one of your wok burners. I’ve done a lot of research and settled on your company.

I was hoping you could help clarify about the electronic ignition. In some of your reader questions and FAQs you mention the electronic ignition can sometimes fail. I was hoping to get a sense of whether it is worth going with the electronic ignition or just using a BBQ lighter with the manual.

I have never used an outdoor BBQ, but I am a passionate cook who has used 25K BTU stoves indoors. I recently moved to a home with outdoor space and am planning to use the powerflamer.

As a beginner, does it make sense to get the electronic start or just use the manual?

Outdoorstirfry: 

We would suggest to go with manual ignition with a long nose BBQ igniter.   In this way you don’t have to deal with the electronic ignition systems that subject to weather.   An electronic ignition head can become unreliable after a couple years.   After that you will default to use a long nose BBQ igniter anyway.

Hope we answer your question.  If not, please ask further. 

Inquiry: 

This is really helpful! Thanks.

Would that be the PF13L160 if I am going for the highest BTUs and the long legs?

And is that the model you sell on Amazon?

Thanks again!

Outdoorstirfry: 

PF13L160 it is.  We sell this on amazon as well.    You should get a better price + shipping  from our web site.