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Electronic vs Manual Ignition and Shipping Rate to EU?

Inquiry: 

I am very interested in the PowerFlamer 160 but I have some questions, it said something about the electronic ignition not being reliable, does this mean the built-in pilot doesn’t work that well, or does it mean that it’s best to have a manual lighter nearby to light it the first time? What is the difference between the Plus and the non Plus variant?

Is the flat shipping rate to Europe the only costs or do extra customs tax gets added?

Outdoorstirfry: 

Electronic ignition stove does not have a pilot.   Electronic ignition is convenient to ignite the main burner without additional igniter.  However, the ignition flame needs to be turned off after main burner is lit, to protect its electric wire insulation.    Once the electronic ignition fails, you can always use a long nose BBQ igniter to ignite the main burner directly.     

Pilot only exists in our manual ignition stoves.   The main burner of a manual stove is lit by a long nose BBQ igniter first.  Then the pilot can be lit by the main burner and adjusted.   Between dishes, the pilot can stay to help ignite the main burner for subsequent dish cooking.  Pilot flame length can not be long to interfere with the main burner flame.   One issue is that short pilot flame is susceptible to wind. 

For difference between 160 and 160 plus, please read https://outdoorstirfry.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-the-powerflamer-160-and-the-powerflamer-160-plus/.   160 plus is new and we are in process of optimizing it.  160 is fully optimized and should provide the better cooking experience at this point of time. 

The flat shipping rate is to cover shipping costs charged by the shipping carrier.  At import time, you will be asked to pay for import duty, VAT and brokerage fee etc.

Inquiry: 

What would you recommend, the manual or electric ignition? I do turn off the burner a bunch of times so a pilot flame would be nice to have. Also, is it treated for rust or is it bare cast iron? 

Outdoorstirfry: 

The stove surface is with paint resistant to high temperature.  However, those paint areas with flame will burn off and left with bare iron. 

If you cook more than 1 dish, pilot is nice to have.   Electronic strike for each dish cooking isn’t that much a hassle either, without needing to find that piece of long nose BBQ igniter.    The last resort is the main burner which can be turned down to low flame between dish cooking in case pilot windblown or electronic ignition failed. 

Inquiry: 

Most of the time when I stir fry, I aim to make about 8-14 portions (fried rice for instance). It takes me about 3-5 batches for this amount, I’m hoping a better burner would fix this. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

More powerful burner should help.  What are you using now?  Maybe a link is helpful for us to understand.

Inquiry: 

Here’s a link to the product, I Don’t know if the site will work since it’s Dutch. https://vuurenrook.nl/en/products/gas-wok-branders-stoves-50491601

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank for your link.   The stove in your link is about 20kBTU/Hr max in our experience.   This is not a bad stove to use.  

Inquiry: 

Would the stir fry capacity increase with the wok? I don’t mind spending money, but tax and customs feels like I’m getting scammed haha. 

Also, how is the build quality? Are there a lot of (possible) defects? If something were to happen to it while in transit, is this covered by some kind of warranty? 

Outdoorstirfry: 

In theory, you can cook more if the stove is more powerful.   Unfortunately, we can’t do anything to tax and duty etc.  We will send replacement parts if thing is damaged during transit. 

Inquiry: 

Is it possible to get a video of the difference between the electric and manual ignition? Or do you recommend one? 

Outdoorstirfry: 

Please watch https://outdoorstirfry.com/how-to-start-a-powerflamer-propane-160-electronic-ignition-stove-both-ignition-flame-and-main-burner-flame/?v=0b3b97fa6688 for electronic ignition version.   Please watch https://outdoorstirfry.com/how-to-start-a-powerflamer-propane-160-manual-stove-both-pilot-and-main-burner-flames/?v=0b3b97fa6688 for the manual version. 

For long lasting/reliability, we would recommend manual.  For convenience, we would recommend electronic version. 

Inquiry: 

Oh that’s great thanks! I hate to ask this, but, how’s the build quality? I don’t know anyone who owns one of these and I can’t see/feel it in real life. Are there common problems or anything? How long have you been making these and what’s the oldest still working one? 

I apologize for all these questions, I always thoroughly check everything. 

Outdoorstirfry: 

I can’t comment on the quality as different people have different standards.   Also our quality would keep improving as it is the case in our history longer than 20 years.   There are some common problems like https://outdoorstirfry.com/customer-feedbacks/white-on-paint-and-smoke-questions/.   The paint should be the same as your other stove, dark gray.  

Inquiry: 

That’s fair. Do you know of customer that’s been using a 160 for that long as well? Do you sell replacement parts? Is there something that needs replacing within a few years that I can order with it? Are the legs aluminum? 

Is it possible to take the legs of and make a stove for it? Is it stable without the legs?   Once more, thanks for your time and patience

Outdoorstirfry: 

We sell 160 stoves for over 20 years.  Of course, the look of it was dramatically different than it is now.  We are still support those if people want to maintain them.  You can contact us if problem occurs. 

The long legs, if tighten, should provide stable support to the stove.  The long legs are galvanized steel.  They can be detached, and the resulting short leg version can be placed on a table and should be functional fully. 

 

 

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pilot light question

Inquiry: 

Hello. Does the PowerFlamer Propane 160 with electric ignition allow for pilot light? If so, can the pilot light remain on while cooking if you need to turn the main burner off and then back on? Thank you

Outdoorstirfry: 

Pilot flame feature is only present on our manual stoves.  Electronic ignition flame on any electronic ignition stove needs to be shut off after main burner is lit to protect the ignition wire insulation. 

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Ignition flame for Electronic ignition

Customer (PF13L160EI): 

Hi I have received and been testing the wok burner but i am having some trouble dialing the pilot burner. It seems to always be spitting a long 6 to 8 inch long flame. Is that normal ? Is there any way i can adjust the flame on the pilot ? Plus im kinda worried that the electric igniter might melt if i leave if on.

Outdoorstirfry: 

Thank you for your email and photo.  Electronic ignition is just for ignition, can’t stay on during cooking.   It needs to be shut off after the main burner flame is ignited.  The electronic ignition flame is designed to be long such that the ignition tip does not need to stay inside the wind guard.  You can arrange the tip such that the flamer shoot toward top of the main burner.

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Questions on Tank/Bottle, Stabilizers, Pilot Flame for PowerFlamer 160.

Inquiry: 

Hi, Do I have to buy a tank or bottle with the 160 long lead time model? I’d like to not have to do this. Also, what exactly do the leg stabilizers do? How do they work? And does the cover custom fit the burner or is simply a square tarp? Lastly, is there a pilot flame without the electric ignition start or the pilot flame only exists if you have the electric ignition option?

Outdoorstirfry: 

  1.  We do not sell tank or bottle.   You will need to get them from your local hardware store or gas station.  We only sell stove that works with tank or bottle.
  2. When people cooks, they may toss the food in the wok.  Since the food can be heavy, lifting the wok from stove may not be complete.   The result is that the wok is carrying the stove to a tilt.   Leg stabilizers help to stabilize the stove.   Please look at the “Usage Examples” section at the product link https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/long-leg-stabilizer-for-long-leg-stoves/.
  3. The stove cover is a custom hand-made piece for our stove.   Please look at the “Usage Examples” section at the product link https://outdoorstirfry.com/product/stove-cover/.
  4. The electronic ignition version does not have a pilot flame.   The electronic ignition flame needs to be completely turn off after the main burner is ignited.   Our manual version has the pilot flame that can stay during cooking. 

Hope we answer your questions.   Let us know any further question.

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Pilot

Customer (PF13LQN120): 

I just setup the burner but the pilot constantly goes out.  What am I doing wrong? Or is maybe a defective pilot?

Outdoorstirfry

Please adjust the pilot flame length to about 1 inch.   It will not stay lit if you allow too much gas going through it.    

Customer

Thanks that worked 

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Do I have to light it all over again each time for manual PowerFlamer propane 160 stove?

Inquiry

Hello, I am interested in purchasing a Powerflamer 160. I wanted to ask about the manual vs. electronic ignition first. If I purchase the manual ignition, will the pilot light stay on if I turn off the heat (e.g., between dishes), or do I have to light it all over again each time? Thank you.

Outdoorstirfry

For manual stove, the pilot flame can stay lit for you to turn off the main burner between dishes.   You don’t have to re-light it every time. 

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don’t understand how to turn on the pilot

Customer (PF13L160EI): 

I have the wok and have been using it. I don’t understand how to turn on the pilot without having to use an external flame? Could you please help.

Outdoorstirfry

For your stove, the right knob is for electronic ignition.   After the tank is turned on and hearing two clicks or wait for about half minute, you can turn the right knob by about 90 degrees.  Along this 90 degree turn, you should hear hissing sound indicating gas coming out from the ignition small copper tube.  By 90 degrees turn of the knob you should hear a click sound from the piezoelectric within the electronic ignition head.  At the same time, you should see a spark at the tip of the ignition small copper tube.  By 3~4 tries you might be able to get one spark to ignite the gas to a flame to shoot to the top of the main burner.   Hope this helps.

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pilot light remains lit?

Inquiry

Does the powerflamer 160 with the manual ignition still have a separate pilot light that remains lit? Trying to decide if I need electronic ignition since I’m perfectly happy to light initially with a lighter.
 
Outdoorstirfry:  
 
The PowerFlamer propane 160 manual one has a pilot that can remain lit when the main burner is off.