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excellent design

Customer (PF13L160EI_Stabilizers_Cover): 

I am  certain you have many and congratulations on such a fine product. And big surprise, I was expecting a long delay.  

It arrived today. 

Your design is excellent. I assembled it, hooked to a tank, turned it on. The flame coverage is super. I had one of the burners at 200,000 btu, good for boiling water…only.  This is so much better. 

Thanks for all of your excellent design and work to have such a fine product and fast delivery . 


thanks for your good words.  Let us know any issue when using it.  Bests.

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Is there much difference between the manual ignition version PF13L160 and the electronic ignition version PF13L160EI?


Is there much difference between the manual ignition version PF13L160 and the electronic ignition version PF13L160EI?


PF13L160EI has an electronic ignition head.  It usually takes 3~5 strikes to ignite a flame on the ignition tube end.   Once the flame on the ignition tube end ignites the main burner, you will need to turn off the ignition tube flame to avoid damaging the ignition wire.  If you stop the main burner between cooking dishes, you will need to repeat the ignition process for each dish.

PF13L160 has a pilot light and requires manual ignition.  You would ignite the main burner at low flame first by turning on the left valve.  Then turn on the pilot flame by turning on the right valve.  Adjust the pilot flame to appropriate flame size (~0.5 to 1″ in length of flame).  The pilot flame stays lit between cooking dishes.   If you turn off the main burner between cooking dishes, you only need to turn on the main burner for cooking next dish (no need for any more manual ignition).   Because of its simplicity PF13L160 offers better reliability.  

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Questions on PF13L160EI


Hello, I’m looking to purchase, but have a few questions.

    1) The PF13L160EI, is there any other difference between this and the manual ignition, besides the ignition? Has the electronic ignition gotten better? I read some of ur archived info, and it seems the electric ignition isn’t too reliable, and I think it’s like $50 more!

    2) what PSI is the regulator? 0-?

    3) on the electric and manual, does it now come with the braided hose screwing onto the burner? I do NOT want one that is secured with the tension strap.

    4) do you warranty the burner? If so, for how long?

    Thank you for your time.


  1. the main difference between PF13L160EI and PF13L160 is the electronic ignition. Electronic ignition eventually will fail due to weather and aging of components.  So it eventually will be used as a manual one.   The electronic ignition component is much more expensive and we want to discourage it.
  2. 0-30PSI.
  3. Both stoves have stainless braided hose. However inside it is still a rubber type.  The braided stainless protect the rubber hose from environment.  The PF13L160EI still has one end of the hose secured by worm type clamp.  If you don’t like this, your choice should be PF13L160.  
  4. You can return the product if not used within 60 days of purchase. Once used we support it whole-heartily but without promise.   We reserve our right to serve our customer the best way we see it.   
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Hose clamp

Customer (PF13L160EI + Carbon Steel Wok Set): 

I open my wok package today.  I was disturbed to see the use of screw-down clamps instead of crimped connection for the propane gas line.  I don’t think this is safe.  Do you know the size of the hose and fittings so I can buy a pre-made hose with crimped-on connectors?  What is the rating of the regulator?


We can’t do a complete crimped type hose for this stove because of the valve assembly requiring a hose barb connection.    We have a lot of customers using our stove as we make it – screw-down clamped hose.   There is no pre-made hose out on the market that will fit to this stove valve assembly.   We make it to order. 


Some more detail,  the hose has proper press crimped stainless clamp with the regulator.   It is the burner valve side where we have to use a worm type screw-down clamp.   Typical application is that the cook will have to turn on the propane tank valve before using the stove to cook.   If there is any leak from the regulator along the hose path to the burner, the regulator will detect it and will not give full pressure power output.   The cook should be able to smell gas leak as well.   At this point the cook should stop and start diagnosis where the leak is to correct it.      

Our manual stove PF13L160 no long uses worm type screw-down clamp.    There will be fewer chances of gas leak.  However if there is a gas leak, replacement cost and fixing it is much costly.  

Let me know if this makes you feel better and please let us know any further question.

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Customer feedback

Customer (PF13L160EI): 

I have been using my PF13L160EI with a 20lb propane tank for the past two years. The unit is reliable and I love cooking with it: the high pressure opens up new cooking textures and flavors. Your website clearly mentions the electronic ignition—which reliably produces a spark but doesn’t reliably ignite the pilot line—which is the only fault. If only you could solve my cold winters, which decrease my propane pressure. Happy customer!


Thank you for your feedback.   You mentioned that electronic ignition in cold weather is not reliable.   Electronic (piezo type) ignition head deteriorates over weather and can be hard to ignite.  We would suggest to use a long nose BBQ igniter and treat it as a manual stove.   Sorry for the inconvenience.


It’s a two year-old PF13L160EI with barb connectors, yellow tape and hose clamps at both ends.

Earlier this spring the hose suddenly popped off the stove connection and turned into a flame thrower. Fortunately I was nearby, yelped in surprise and grabbed it, pointing the hose somewhere safe while turning off the tank. 

This taught me about the amount of pressure in the line. I’ve probably overtightened the clamps now, just to be sure that this doesn’t happen again. I no longer take the safety of this thing for granted, but check the connections often. 

The material of the hose appears to be breaking down, particularly close to the regulator, and since a crack in the hose could be disastrous I feel that it’s time to change it.

I’d like to replace the hose with a more durable material. I have my cooker on a small iron frame/tile top table with the propane tank underneath. I rarely move the setup, so the hose stays immobile and I don’t step on it. It’s located under a roofed patio so the hose doesn’t receive direct moisture or direct sun. It is exposed to -20C to +35C air temperatures over the course of a year.

Your recommendations are welcomed!


You have a PF13L160EI stove.  I agree with you, stir frying is high power.   The cook should be nearby.   Frequent check up is also necessary to prevent running into dangerous situation you experienced earlier.  

Your hose has deteriorated.   We can send you a stainless braided hose as replacement.   

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amazon model?


Which model of your wok burner is on Amazon? Does the amazon one have electronic ignition? Also, can a large wok pan (18 or 22 inch) be used with this burner?  thank you!


We have PF13L160 and PF13L160EI stoves on amazon.  The PF13L160EI is an electronic ignition one.  They work for 18″ or 22″ wok.   If you use a flat bottom pan, the flame will need to be turned on pretty high.


Thanks. You’re very helpful.  It looks like it’s a little cheaper to buy directly from you than from Amazon.

Can you put a grate on the PF13L160 and grill meat or vegetables directly over the flame, like a normal barbecue? I didn’t see any picture of people using it like a barbecue. Does the 160 or 130 flame go low enough so it doesn’t scorch the food, if using on a grate?

The 160 wok grate looks less stable than the 130 model, which is round. What do you think? Also, what’s the advantage of the 160 over the 130, other than more btu?

Thank you again for your help. Your burners look really good.


Both PF13L160 and PF13L130 stoves give direct flame, they are really powerful and would burn the food upon contact.   Barbecue flame is usually short, much weaker, only heats up the air and let the air to get into contact with meat.  

PF13L160 has quite a few advantages over PF13L130.  It has a 6” burner as compared with a 4” one in PF13L130.  Its wok adapter can sit freely according to the cook side.   Its wind guard will remain cool during cooking.   Its hose has stainless braid.   Its flamer will be more focused and not be as long.


OK.  I think I’ll get the PF13L160.  A few more questions.

I am wondering if it’s possible to convert to camping propane later (e.g. get an adapter at Home Depot) if I don’t buy the “C” version now? I may find that using a big propane tank is easy enough for camping anyway and decide I don’t need to change it.

Thanks for clarifying about heating the air when barbecuing as opposed to the food directly. The reason I ask about barbecuing is I don’t eat meat and don’t have much use for a big grill, but I like to grill vegetables sometimes. I do it on my charcoal weber, but it’d be nice to have something that’s quicker (not have to wait for charcoals). Could I create a flame barrier to use with low flame to cook vegetables on it?

Finally, the EF13CLP50 looks interesting, perhaps for regular cooking. What’s its main purpose?

Anyway, sorry to ask so many questions. I really appreciate your customer service!


We don’t know if Home Depot carries the configurable adapter between tank and bottle.  But you can ask us later if you don’t want to buy the “C” version for now.

You should be able to create similar metal structure to BBQ grill and our stove will be must faster and powerful in heating up the intermediate metal plate.

EF13CLP50 can be interesting at home as a side burner for soup cooking.  If you intend to use it during camping, it would be better to have a wind guard like EF13CLP50WG.

Customer (PF13L160): 

Thanks again for all your help. I just ordered it.

I think something like this might work for grilling veggies on it. It’s a cast iron grill, so there’d be no direct flame, but it’d get hot enough for quick grilling. It’s 14 inches, so maybe big enough to sit on top and not interfere with airflow. I could maybe put a grate under it if it wasn’t stable enough on its own. Anyway, I’ll wait to get the burner from you and maybe try this one out. I’ll mostly use my wok with the burner, but doing veggies like this would be a bonus feature. Thanks again!


We see your order.  Thank you.

In terms of the grilling griddle you pick, let us know how it sits on PF13L160.  Since the griddle has curves on both sides, we don’t know if it sits steady enough.   

We will provide tracking information once it ships.

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(PF13L160EI) Please can you tell me if the top part where the wok rest is attached to the burner or two pieces

Inquiry:  For PF13L160EI, Please can you tell me if the top part where the wok rest is attached to the burner or two pieces.

Outdoorstirfry:   For both PF13x160EI and PF13x160 stoves, the top wok adapter is a separate piece sitting on top of the wind guard.  This gives the flexibility to rotate the adapter to block the flame coming toward the cook wherever he/she stands.   

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The item above is listed at 209. vs the PF13L160EI which I see no different at all but the price, second, can I order one with black in color as you stated in your website.


PF13CL160EI has an adapter that can work with 1lb propane bottle that is convenient for people to camp.    If you look at the hose end where the regulator is, you should be able to notice the adapter there.  PF13L160EI does not have this adapter.

Currently we only have the silver color in stock.   Sorry we are not able to offer you the product in black.


First off let me tell you how impressive your products are, my question is can I order the above mode with the latest manual operated one? one reason why I ask you this is the way the body and leg construction of it, it looks more secure and sturdy then the regular manual operated one, also is the body of this burner one piece?


If I read you correctly, you want a PF13CL160 with the way the legs are attached as in a PF13CL160EI stove.    In this way you get all latest improvements – stainless braided hose, integrated burner piece, spider guard etc.   Once we make the legs attachment like the PF13CL160EI, you can even experiment on the manual way as well.   Yes we can try to accommodate this request.    Just order a PF13CL160 and put in a note for us to do this for you.

We had customer before also doubting our way for our legs on our manual stove.   However it was proven after he used the stove that it was as sturdy as the old way.